You Can’t Say That in Court!

A bi-weekly podcast that raises awareness about family violence and the challenges survivors face as they navigate the BC family legal system. The podcast collectively identifies barriers and calls for positive changes to be made for survivors across the province! Made possible with funding from Women and Gender Equality Canada.
Episodes
Episodes



Friday May 30, 2025
Episode 7: Family Violence: Financial Abuse
Friday May 30, 2025
Friday May 30, 2025
ABOUT THIS EPISODE: In this episode, Stephanie and Vicky speak about financial abuse. The reality of abusive relationship is the at the survivor is usually very financially dependent on the perpetrator, which is one of the ways for the perpetrator to maintain control. Financial abuse is a tangible example of coercive control because it’s a pattern of behaviour (instead of a one-time incident) and undermines every aspect of someone’s independence and their ability to leave the relationship at all. The hosts share specific examples of what financial abuse can look like in a relationship and how financial abuse can continue after separation.
LEGAL DISCLAIMER: Everything that we have said today is not legal advice. If you or someone you know needs legal advice, please consult with a lawyer.
TRIGGER WARNING: Our podcast series will discuss difficult topics such as gender-based violence and intimate partner violence, including physical, sexual, emotional, psychological and financial abuse. Please be aware that this is a thread that is woven throughout all the episodes, and we hope you will take care of yourselves however you need.
MUSIC: Song "Crushing", performed by Reveille (license purchased for use)
GRAPHICS: By Melanie Ligale
This episode is made possible the generous contribution by Women and Gender Equality Canada, Femmes et Égalité des genres Canada
ABOUT THE ORGANIZATION: Rise is a community legal centre providing accessible legal services to self-identified women and gender diverse people in British Columbia since 2016. Our programs and services are aimed at providing limited legal services to economically disadvantaged clients, who are self-representing in their family law matters in BC
For more information on our organization, visit Rise Women's Legal Centre



Friday May 16, 2025
Episode 6: "It Does Matter": Family Violence at the BC Court of Appeal
Friday May 16, 2025
Friday May 16, 2025
ABOUT THIS EPISODE: In this episode, we are joined by Vandana Sood - a staff lawyer at Rise, who answers question regarding myths and stereotypes at the trial level. In 2024, Vandana represented the mother and appealed a final parenting order that provided the father (the respondent) with equal and unsupervised parenting time. The BC Court of Appeal found that the trial judge had failed to conduct a proper analysis of the mother’s allegations of family violence. The Court of Appeal also found that the trial judge failed to consider the effect of a child’s exposure to family violence when assessing the best interests of the child, and relied on in reaching the trial decision. In this episode, the hosts ask Vandana about:
What were some of the myths that appeared at the trial level?
Why was the recognition of these myths in the higher court so important?
What is the importance of considering indirect family violence (vs. Direct family violence)?
What does this case, KMN, do for the future of family law cases?
References:
1. Court of Appeal Judgement
2. Canlii decision: K.M.N. v. S.Z.M., 2024 BCCA 70 (CanLII)
LEGAL DISCLAIMER: Everything that we have said today is not legal advice. If you or someone you know needs legal advice, please consult with a lawyer.
TRIGGER WARNING: Our podcast series will discuss difficult topics such as gender-based violence and intimate partner violence, including physical, sexual, emotional, psychological and financial abuse. Please be aware that this is a thread that is woven throughout all the episodes, and we hope you will take care of yourselves however you need.
MUSIC: Song "Crushing", performed by Reveille (license purchased for use)
GRAPHICS: By Melanie Ligale
This episode is made possible the generous contribution by Women and Gender Equality Canada, Femmes et Égalité des genres Canada
ABOUT THE ORGANIZATION: Rise is a community legal centre providing accessible legal services to self-identified women and gender diverse people in British Columbia since 2016. Our programs and services are aimed at providing limited legal services to economically disadvantaged clients, who are self-representing in their family law matters in BC
For more information on our organization, visit Rise Women's Legal Centre



Friday May 02, 2025
Episode 5: Family Violence: Why Can't Everyone Just Get Along?
Friday May 02, 2025
Friday May 02, 2025
ABOUT THIS EPISODE: In this episode, we are joined by Haley Hrymak - a staff lawyer at Rise. Haley shares some of the findings from Rise’s research project, which was conducted between June 2017 and May 2020 (funded by WAGE). This research found that despite the well-documented prevalence of family violence directed at women. many legal system professionals still tend to view cases involving family violence as outliers or exceptions to the norm.
The findings are presented in a report titled: Why Can't Everyone Just Get Along?
LEGAL DISCLAIMER: Everything that we have said today is not legal advice. If you or someone you know needs legal advice, please consult with a lawyer.
TRIGGER WARNING: Our podcast series will discuss difficult topics such as gender-based violence and intimate partner violence, including physical, sexual, emotional, psychological and financial abuse. Please be aware that this is a thread that is woven throughout all the episodes, and we hope you will take care of yourselves however you need.
MUSIC: Song "Crushing", performed by Reveille (license purchased for use)
GRAPHICS: By Melanie Ligale
This episode is made possible the generous contribution by Women and Gender Equality Canada, Femmes et Égalité des genres Canada
ABOUT THE ORGANIZATION: Rise is a community legal centre providing accessible legal services to self-identified women and gender diverse people in British Columbia since 2016. Our programs and services are aimed at providing limited legal services to economically disadvantaged clients, who are self-representing in their family law matters in BC
For more information on our organization, visit Rise Women's Legal Centre



Friday Apr 18, 2025
Episode 4: Family Violence: Screening for family violence
Friday Apr 18, 2025
Friday Apr 18, 2025
ABOUT THIS EPISODE: In this episode, we are joined by Stephanie Hodgson, who is a lawyer on the so-called Vancouver Island and shares an office with Moira the adopted border collie/Aussie shepherd/great Pyrenees mountain mutt. Stephanie is interested in the intersections of gender/sexuality and the law and currently practices in the areas of family and child protection or family policing law.
The episode explores using screening tools for clients experiencing family violence; the purpose of screening tools and challenges with using screening tools. The episode discusses best approaches that have worked for the guest speaker in their over a decade of practice.
LEGAL DISCLAIMER: Everything that we have said today is not legal advice. If you or someone you know needs legal advice, please consult with a lawyer.
TRIGGER WARNING: Our podcast series will discuss difficult topics such as gender-based violence and intimate partner violence, including physical, sexual, emotional, psychological and financial abuse. Please be aware that this is a thread that is woven throughout all the episodes, and we hope you will take care of yourselves however you need.
MUSIC: Song "Crushing", performed by Reveille (license purchased for use)
GRAPHICS: By Melanie Ligale
This episode is made possible the generous contribution by Women and Gender Equality Canada, Femmes et Égalité des genres Canada
ABOUT THE ORGANIZATION: Rise is a community legal centre providing accessible legal services to self-identified women and gender diverse people in British Columbia since 2016. Our programs and services are aimed at providing limited legal services to economically disadvantaged clients, who are self-representing in their family law matters in BC
For more information on our organization, visit Rise Women's Legal Centre



Friday Apr 04, 2025
Episode 3: Family Violence: Listening for family violence
Friday Apr 04, 2025
Friday Apr 04, 2025
ABOUT THIS EPISODE: In this episode, we are joined by Stephanie Hodgson, who is a lawyer on the so-called Vancouver Island and shares an office with Moira the adopted border collie/Aussie shepherd/great Pyrenees mountain mutt. Stephanie is interested in the intersections of gender/sexuality and the law and currently practices in the areas of family and child protection or family policing law.
The episode explores how do you listen when someone is experiencing family violence, challenges with detecting or listening for family violence, practical tips used in legal practice, and much more.
LEGAL DISCLAIMER: Everything that we have said today is not legal advice. If you or someone you know needs legal advice, please consult with a lawyer.
TRIGGER WARNING: Our podcast series will discuss difficult topics such as gender-based violence and intimate partner violence, including physical, sexual, emotional, psychological and financial abuse. Please be aware that this is a thread that is woven throughout all the episodes, and we hope you will take care of yourselves however you need.
MUSIC: Song "Crushing", performed by Reveille (license purchased for use)
GRAPHICS: By Melanie Ligale
This episode is made possible the generous contribution by Women and Gender Equality Canada, Femmes et Égalité des genres Canada
ABOUT THE ORGANIZATION: Rise is a community legal centre providing accessible legal services to self-identified women and gender diverse people in British Columbia since 2016. Our programs and services are aimed at providing limited legal services to economically disadvantaged clients, who are self-representing in their family law matters in BC
For more information on our organization, visit Rise Women's Legal Centre



Friday Mar 21, 2025
Episode 2: Family Violence and Coercive and Controlling Behaviour Continued
Friday Mar 21, 2025
Friday Mar 21, 2025
ABOUT THIS EPISODE: A continuation from the first episode, Vicky and Stephanie talk about myths about family violence and how a coercive and controlling behaviour lens can help to provide an understanding of harmful behavior. Women and gender-diverse individuals are overwhelmingly victims of IPV and this is why we are using gendered language in our podcast.
See Rise's report Why can’t everyone just get along?
LEGAL DISCLAIMER: Everything that we have said today is not legal advice. If you or someone you know needs legal advice, please consult with a lawyer.
TRIGGER WARNING: Our podcast series will discuss difficult topics such as gender-based violence and intimate partner violence, including physical, sexual, emotional, psychological and financial abuse. Please be aware that this is a thread that is woven throughout all the episodes, and we hope you will take care of yourselves however you need.
MUSIC: Song "Crushing", performed by Reveille (license purchased for use)
GRAPHICS: By Melanie Ligale
This episode is made possible the generous contribution by Women and Gender Equality Canada, Femmes et Égalité des genres Canada
ABOUT THE ORGANIZATION: Rise is a community legal centre providing accessible legal services to self-identified women and gender diverse people in British Columbia since 2016. Our programs and services are aimed at providing limited legal services to economically disadvantaged clients, who are self-representing in their family law matters in BC
For more information on our organization, visit Rise Women's Legal Centre



Thursday Mar 06, 2025
Episode 1: Family Violence and Coercive and Controlling Behaviour
Thursday Mar 06, 2025
Thursday Mar 06, 2025
ABOUT THIS EPISODE: There is lots of misunderstanding amongst the public about family violence. In this episode we are talking about about family violence and what is coercive and controlling behaviour. We are looking at a collection of actions in order to identify a pattern.
Women and gender-diverse individuals are overwhelmingly victims of IPV and this is why we are using gendered language in our podcast.
LEGAL DISCLAIMER: Everything that we have said today is not legal advice. If you or someone you know needs legal advice, please consult with a lawyer.
TRIGGER WARNING: Our podcast series will discuss difficult topics such as gender-based violence and intimate partner violence, including physical, sexual, emotional, psychological and financial abuse. Please be aware that this is a thread that is woven throughout all the episodes, and we hope you will take care of yourselves however you need.
MUSIC: Song "Crushing", performed by Reveille (license purchased for use)
GRAPHICS: By Melanie Ligale
This episode is made possible the generous contribution by Women and Gender Equality Canada, Femmes et Égalité des genres Canada
ABOUT THE ORGANIZATION: Rise is a community legal centre providing accessible legal services to self-identified women and gender diverse people in British Columbia since 2016. Our programs and services are aimed at providing limited legal services to economically disadvantaged clients, who are self-representing in their family law matters in BC
For more information on our organization, visit Rise Women's Legal Centre

About Your Hosts
Vicky (she/her) is the Executive Director and Stephanie is the Community Engagement Coordinator at Rise Women's Legal Centre.
Vicky has worked in the fields of immigration law and family law for women experiencing intimate partner violence. In her career as a legal advocate and a lawyer, she has supported many women and families in navigating their immigration status in Canada, and the complexity of the family law system.
Stephanie comes to Rise from a victim services program where she supported folks who had experienced trauma or crisis and walked alongside them through the criminal court system. A common thread in her work has been amplifying the voices of those she supports as well as those she meets in her community volunteer work.